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Atlas correction


#1

Hi
When I saw Dr S I forgot to ask him about this atlas correction I spoke to the man who does it his clinic is not far from me I was thinking of giving this a go has anybody in the UK tried this? And does any of Dr S patients know if we can email him inbetween appointments would like to get his opinion or will he think I’m nuts? Lol.
Cheers Shenay.


#2

If it’s NUCCA, it’s nonsense. It doesn’t work and is more alternative medicine bunk. If, on the other hand, you have trigger points in your neck causing some minor rotation of the cervical spinal processes then a physiotherapist (USA = physical therapist) is the person to see.

S


#3

I just wanted to mention my personal experience with NUCCA. Out of desperation, I tried NUCCA therapy for about five weeks, really not expecting any results. I didn’t believe in chiropractors and thought they were all scam artists. I went simply to completely rule it out as a therapy and to be able to tell myself I had tried almost everything to get well. (I had a consultation with another NUCCA “doctor” a year earlier, but I didn’t return for any adjustments since I thought the guy was a quack.)

As I said, I didn’t believe in chiropractors, in general, and really could not imagine that someone putting such light pressure in one spot on my head (by my left ear) could do anything at all. When I received my first “adjustment,” I thought the guy was full of it since I could barely feel anything. (I did, however, hear something click very faintly every time he pushed on that spot.)

Much to my great surprise, about an hour or two after my first “adjustment,” my dizziness soared, my entire spine ached, I had numbness and pins & needles sensations in parts of my left arm and hand, and I just felt awful in general. In addition, I had such pain going down my left leg that walking was difficult. I was shocked that I had this kind of reaction to some guy just pushing ever so lightly in one certain spot on the left side of my head with my neck/head positioned at a certain angle.

All these problems died down to a more tolerable level by my second visit, but came back within hours of my next “adjustment.” My dizziness, once again, was horrendous, and I really felt the “treatment” was making everything worse. Naturally, the chiropractor kept telling me that it would take four weeks for my dizziness to start to resolve. I stuck it out for five weeks and never did receive any benefit at all. It really just made me feel terrible and quite ill. Moreover, each time he adjusted me, I could hear faint clicking coming from inside my upper spine, and my neck would repeatedly click and grind for many months after my NUCCA experience when turning my head certain ways.

He adjusted me only about four times and then measured me at subsequent visits telling me I was “holding” from then on. Quite honestly, I think he was fabricating the whole “holding” thing. I suspect he was afraid to touch me since I kept telling him how much worse I felt with the adjustments. (He also knew I was a former trial attorney/litigator, and that may have scared him to some degree for fear of being sued for making me worse. Just speculation, of course.)

The last straw for me was when I injured myself terribly tripping on a curb while running our dog. I ended up falling on concrete with great force while being pulled forward with the leash. The next day, my whole body was sore, and I absolutely could not turn my neck to the left at all. (Coincidentally ? the dizziness soared once again…) A few days later, I had another appointment with the chiropractor and purposefully did not mention my fall. Of course, he congratulated me for “holding” once again. I figured either the guy was full of it (and he was scared to adjust me due to my constant complaints of worsening symptoms with his treatment) or I didn’t need any more adjustments ever again since if that fall hadn’t messed up my “alignment,” nothing ever would… I never went back for any further visits and jumped through some hoops to receive a rebate of some pre-paid appointments, which he reluctantly returned.

I am telling my story because if I hadn’t experienced it personally, I never would have believed that NUCCA could do anything at all. In my case, it most certainly did not help me. However, it really was doing SOMETHING in terms of moving my entire spine. I believe that it can help in certain situations, although I can not articulate what situations those would be…

The whole experience just reinforced that, for me personally, my problems stem in part from my upper neck, most likely inflammation/irritation of the cervical facet joints. I believe that the NUCCA “adjustments” simply caused more irritation of these joints, exacerbating my problems. Moreover, I can’t imagine how anyone with true MAV could benefit from NUCCA, and it’s possible it could actually be a trigger for worsening of migraines…


#4

More here:

[size=130]The Problem with Chiropractic NUCCA[/size]

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-problem-with-chiropractic-nucca/


#5

Hi Scott
No it’s not Nucca the atlas bone will only take one treatment it’s the bone that holds our head on there’s only 1 guy in England qualified to do this its 2 appointments the first is to see if its out of alignment the second if need be is the treatment, I just feel a little fearful of someone messing with my neck/head. Ive read through his testimonials they seem quite positive but who knows lol it’s called atlas profilax if you get chance take a look at his website (www.thorpebayclinic.com) let me know what you think.
Cheers shenay.


#6

— Begin quote from “shenay.e”

Hi Scott
No it’s not Nucca the atlas bone will only take one treatment it’s the bone that holds our head on there’s only 1 guy in England qualified to do this its 2 appointments the first is to see if its out of alignment the second if need be is the treatment, I just feel a little fearful of someone messing with my neck/head. Ive read through his testimonials they seem quite positive but who knows lol it’s called atlas profilax if you get chance take a look at his website (thorpebayclinic.com) let me know what you think.
Cheers shenay.

— End quote

Run. A. Mile.


#7

Hi Victoria
Have you had it done?


#8

Had a look at the website and have to agree with Vic. Run as fast as you can. These people are into homeopathy, reiki and all sorts of woo. Don’t get sucked into this stuff. If you think your neck is an issue see a trained physiotherapist.


#9

— Begin quote from “shenay.e”

Hi Victoria
Have you had it done?

— End quote

No, nor would I.

From the Atlas people’s own website:

Swiss René-Claudius Schümperli discovered in 1993 for the first time that the first cervical vertebra (atlas) is more or less malrotated in almost every human being.
After his own long suffering,
* he developed** a unique massage of the short muscles of the neck, which is able to correct an existing malrotation of the first cervical vertebra with a single application** precisely, safely and permanently** without adjustment or other manipulation.
*
Everything about this screams snake oil. Specifically, dangerous snake oil. Let me break it down.

First - this guy reckons that all on his own, he discovered a flaw in almost EVERY human being. One guy. All of humanity. How did The Rest Of Medical Science miss this?

Second - again, all on his own, he invented a cure! Just like that! So easy! With a single treatment! Permanently! Safely! And without the need for tedious, lengthy peer review! Why does The Rest Of Medical Science bother?

Dangerous because it’s your neck.

Run. A. Mile.


#10

In case it wasn’t obvious to others–it wasn’t to me–“Run.A. MIle” was not Vic advocating sudden intense exercise as the cure, but rather telling you to run away from the practitioner.


#11

Hi Everyone,

Im kind of alarmed with the responses regarding to NUCCA. Ive consulted with a NUCCA doctor here in Manila and I was givien a plan for 7 sessions. Im on my second session. The first was ok. DIdnt have dizziness and my anxiety was low. The second adjustment I was told my atlas got misaligned again and needs to be adjusted. After that I didnt feel really well. Im trying my best to manage my dizziness because alongside that I suffer from General anxiety disorder, panic, and depression. The one thing Im trying to be optimistic about is at least if my atlas gets corrected something might improve. I have a straight upper cervical spine which is not good and my atlas is totally misaligned and slightly rotated. The doctor says he can correct the misalignment but doesnt guarantee the symptoms im experiencing to disappear. Im just scared that my MAV will worsen if more adjustments are made. The other side of me is telling me that I need my atlas to be corrected to avoid other complications because of the misaligned atlas. Have you guys seen the curvature of your upper cervical spine and the positioning of your atlas? Im trying to make sense out of the misaligned atlas and its relationship with vestibular migriane and other migraine related conditions.


#12

Trev,

It’s rubbish. See a physio.

Good luck,
Scott


#13

do not go near this - it is a scam.

try regular moderate exercise and a well qualified physio


#14

Hello, I was reading these posts and how familiar many of the debilitating symptoms were to me before I found permanent relief. I was extremely frustrated before I found the answer.
I felt hopeless in trying so many modalities to “fix” my atlas and put it into position.

Then I found Atlasprofilax which is worldwide and has helped millions of people with only one treatment.
It seemed like a leap of faith because it claims that only one treatment is needed to put the atlas into it’s correct position and they guarantee it will stay. You only pay once ($300) and they will see you going forward if needed- for free!! That is AMAZING! They stand behind their claim and I respect that about atlasprofilax. The day I got treated I felt amazing!!! I was hesitant to believe this to be true, but 2 years later, I am still symptom free.
Go to their website and find a practitioner near you- REALLY!!! :slight_smile:


#15

Hey idk if you go on this website anymore , but the same exact thing happened to me after I got adjusted from a nucca chiro . I literally have all of your same symptoms . I get the clicking and popping and grinding sounds in my upper neck all the time now and it’s been persisting for months since my last adjustments, the thing that freaks me out is that I hear the clicking and popping just when I am lying down flat and moving at all. Did the same thing happen to you? Did you also hear clicking popping and grinding when u lay down on the side of your head not moving ? Please let me know

And has the clicking and popping subsided at all?
Thanks


#16

Hey idk if you go on this website anymore , but the same exact thing happened to me after I got adjusted from a nucca chiro . I literally have all of your same symptoms . I get the clicking and popping and grinding sounds in my upper neck all the time now and it’s been persisting for months since my last adjustments, the thing that freaks me out is that I hear the clicking and popping just when I am lying down flat and moving at all. Did the same thing happen to you? Did you also hear clicking popping and grinding when u lay down on the side of your head not moving ? Please let me know

And has the clicking and popping subsided at all?
Thanks


#17

Since KennedyLane disappeared four years ago, I’ll tell you my experience with Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractic (USA) which sounds a lot like NUCCA. I was referred by my neuro to an AO specialist chiropractor in January. It took 3 sessions a week for a few weeks and then 2 sessions a week for a month or so and then once a week for a while, but my Atlas was adjusted and it held after a few visits. It definitely got worse before it got better. This is particularly true because when the atlas is out, the whole spine is out. I could tell my atlas was out by the pain in my pelvis.

My neck pain and stiffness is nearly nonexistent now compared to where I started, I don’t get those coat hanger migraines anymore, I’m less dizzy. It’s been a great help to me, but I had to really stick it out. My atlas has held position for about 2 months now and I can honestly say I can feel the nerve function improve down my spine. The practitioner needs to be specially certified, does a very specific set of x-rays and uses specialist equipment.


#18

What do you mean he disappeared, you mean disappeared from the site ? Lol like he doesn’t go on the site anymore ?

Anyways , how do you kno it wasn’t holding , and did you experience any of the things I’m experiencing ? Like did u experience and clicking popping and grinding in your neck even when you lay down?

Thanks


#19

It’s possible he’ll answer you, but he hasn’t posted in a while (years). A lot of folks get better and move on. (Yay!)

Yes on the clicking, grinding, popping plus hot, stiff, painful. Before AO chiro, there were times when I couldn’t turn my head at all and had a coat hanger migraine pretty much all the time. During the early months of AO chiro, we’d do an adjustment and it would hold a day or two before sliding back to the old, out of alignment spot. Sometimes it held a week or so. Now, it’s held in the correct alignment for months.

The first couple times they re-aligned it, I could actually hear and feel trapped cerebrospinal fluid rushing out of my skull and down my spine. (Ick.) I got dizzier for a while and always when it was out of alignment. As it began to hold, the pain, clicking, stiffness and dizziness got better. Now, like most of us, I have MAV and inner ear issues. The spinal alignment wasn’t the whole picture. But, it was significant.


#20

No ,but I mean did you start hearing the clicking and grinding and popping after you got adjusted , or before ? And when did You hear the the clicking grinding and popping ? Could you hear it when u lay down on your side on your bed ? Like I can hear clicking popping and grinding when I’m just laying down on my side not moving my neck at all , it’s weird. Was yours the same ?

Because I didn’t start to hear clicking or popping until after I got adjusted by the upper cervical chiro , so they caused it for me .

What did the csf sound like ? Was that the grinding ?

Thanks